
We stepped out of Greater Lowell this week and interviewed Celtic rocker, Larry Kirwan, the lead singer of Irish band Black 47. Kirwan is a native of Ireland and now calls New York his home. Due to space restrictions in our print version of Steppin' Out, we could not publish the interview in its entirety. Below we have the full interview with Kirwan who chatted about The Beatles, Hillary Clinton and the war in Iraq.
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WHO: Black 47
AKA: Larry Kirwan, lead vocals and Stratocaster; Geoffrey Blythe, tenor and saxophone; Joe Burcaw, bass; Thomas Hamlin, drums and percussion; Joseph Mulvanerty, uilleann pipes and flute; and Fred Parcells, trombone and pennywhistle
VISIT: www.black47.com
HISTROY: They are political and trying to make a statment about the war in Iraq, but they will josh with their fans and throw back a couple of pints. Black 47 has been telling tales through their tunes since 1989. Frontman, Larry Kirwan, is an accomplished muscian, writer, playwright and host his own Sirius radio show. Kirwan fit us into his busy schedule to chat about his life as an artist.
You are a muscian, radio host and playwright. How do find time for them all?
And a novelist. (Laughs). I am trying to finish off a new novel inbetween. I don’t watch TV. I stopped watching TV during the Gulf War. It was so slanted.
No reality TV then?
I have never seen that, but with all that I have been reading I am curious and may actually turn the TV on.
Song, novel or play writing — which is the most satisfying?
The music I get the most bang out of. It’s an immediate reaction on stage in front of people. Books and novels are great because you are writing it on your own, it’s a great feeling, but there is no feedback from the audience. A play is great to watch the actors interperet it.
What are your novels about?
I wrote an autobiography, “Green Suede Shoes” that came out two years ago, I also wrote “Liverpool Fantasty” about The Beatles if they never were famous.
Really, what happens to the Fab Four?
Paul goes to U.S. and becomes a Frank Sintra kind of singer. Then 25 years later, he goes back to England to look up the other three. John is unemployed and still singing, George is a Jesuit preist and Ringo plays drums with Gerry and the Pacemakers.
Sounds like a great movie. Your songs are part truth and fiction. Do you use the fictional details to embellish the story?
Sometimes I do that. There is almost a paralel line in life between fiction and truth. I take an incident, move it a distance away from myself, exagerate and build up some aspects of it. There’s an essence of the truth. I have never been a confessional songwriter like, Jackson Browne. I found it gets limiting after a while and it gets boring. If you take the great writers like Kerouac, I am sure he took the experiences with Neal Cassady as the basis and then embellished.
Do people think all the tales you sing about are true?
You see some of the songs the are about political figures, Bobby Kennedy or Bobby Sands, they’re real people. In essence I am trying to portray them, I try to get into their heads. It was part of my training as a playwright. Bobby Sands, I could not get into his head for 20 years. Then when I sing I am being that person on stage. Some of the other songs have a wild sense of humor with a basis of fact. I am not Bono, I don’t have three chords of truth. I have 53. (laughs).
Is there any current figure you would like to get into the head of?
Hillary Clinton would be an interesting one. She originally supported the war, and I can’t believe someone so intelligent like her would. She then becomes a Shakespearian figure, she tells a lie to further herself feeling she knows best. I think that is fascinating and that is the basis of her canidacy.
Do you think she will be the next president?
Probably. I would vote for her, though I totally disagree with her war policy, but giving who she is up against. Guiliani will probably blow us all up with his ego. I have big issues with her on the war, but isn’t it time to have a woman? Men have f$%*@# it up so much. Though I lived under Thatcher. So long as Hillary stays a women and does not become a man. That’s what happened to Thatcher, it becomes dangerous.
In your opinion, how has the music scene changed over the past two decades? Has it gotten better or worse?
I would not go into it now if I was just starting out. It does not have the same caché that it did. It used to be part of a youth movement. Now it is there for entertainment sake — kind of like a reality show. It has nothing to do with what is going on in the world. It’s just the fact that rock ‘n’ roll, rap, folk, country none are dealing with the real issues.
Do you think that is a reflection of our society?
It is. This war in Iraq is such a diseaster. They way we are allowing it to go on and continue is an indictment of the society. That is what artists are for, that is part of our job. People that are working around the clock trying to make ends meet find it hard to take a stance. It’s more the fault of the artist and the college student. They were tradiontally the ones who protested it. They seem totally disaffected.
Are there any current muscians out there that are taking a stance?
Neil Young. He is singing about the war. Some of the young hard core bands do it. The Dropkick Murphys do it, some of the Irish punk bands are engage like Flogging Molly. It doesn’t seem like regular rock ‘n’ roll has anything to do with that anymore. Our next album coming out in February is called “IRAQ”. It is writing in the point of view of the soldier. We stay in touch with a lot of our fans that are over there and this is what they are telling us. It describes what is going on there and it is not a pretty reality.
Do you think your music will have a lasting impact on people?
I don’t even think in those terms. I do it, to put it out there. In the end there will be Elvis, The Beatles and the Stones we’d be happy to even get a footnote.
For someone who has never been to a Black 47 concert, what can they expect?
I think it is a very uplifting mixture of seriousness in regards to the war, history and politics but the thing is we sing seroiusly, but we don’t take ourselves seriously. We are not preachers. There is a lot of humor. It’s the full breadth of the human experience — politics and history right through to outragousness and wash it all down with a couple of drinks. It’s fun.
Catch Black 47 at The Bull Run, 215 Great Road, Shirley next Friday, Dec. 14. Doors open at 6 p.m., show starts at 8 p.m. For more info visit www.bullrunrestaurant.com.